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Feb 21, 2011 5:04AM
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No one talks about this but in the US (and Canada) the car makers are owned by big oil and they have forbid and sabotaged diesel vehicle production and sales here. They do produce Diesel Jeep Wrangler with a 4 cyl right here in the US, Chrysler minivan also in Canada but for strictly export. A friend in Europe has one of those Chrysler mini vans gets 25mpg in the city!!!!! Imagine if we could by half ton pickups with a 5-6 cyl. turbo diesel that would do 20/25 city/hwy same as the Sprinter does! Even the government does not want that as they collect taxes on fuel not by price percentage but by /gal, so the higher the fuel consumption of vehicles the more they sell the more tax they collect.
Feb 28, 2011 2:20PM
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Diesel's appear to be an undesirable vehicle for MSN.  I own a Jetta TDI and I just returned from an 1136 mile trip from Houston to north east Colorado.  My average mileage for the total trip was 50.9 mpg. This was driving through major cities of Houston, Waco, Ft Worth, Witcha Falls and Amarillo, Texas.  So please tell me how you folks only come up with 34 mpg? If I drive at 55 mph I will get 60 mpg.  This is a long way from your 34 mpg.  It is a puzzle.  VW has a European car that gets 235 mpg.  Of course we will never see it in the USA, 
Feb 22, 2011 11:28AM
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diesel have over fifty % of the market in Europe, they have the same power as gas but the mpg is far greater and they are cheaper to service, IE oil change, filter, fuel filter air filter
Feb 21, 2011 4:31AM
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To answer LOL101:

The mpg that the article states for each car is the EPA mpg which has been known to have wrong calculations for many cars.

The mpg of a diesel is higher than it's sticker says and get's even better over time.

Also I'm sure diesels pay off for themselves faster than many hybrids.

 

Maintenance costs are somewhat higher for diesel engines, but they last a lot longer than most gasoline engines and with good services they shoudln't be too much of a hassle.

Mar 2, 2011 3:29AM
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The only diesels that were un reliable when they died were the pieces of junk that GM tried to build from gas engines. Otherwise, diesels were very reliable. I drove Volkswagens. The fact that diesel fuel was....and I say was less expensive made the diesel and its mileage very attractive. We now pay 30 to 40 cents more for Diesel then Gas. The higher cost of diesel fuel doesn't outweigh the benefits on higher mileage. The states and feds need to lower the taxes back down and make the cost of the fuel cheaper then gasoline as it used to be. The American car manufactures and Federal Government has always been good at taking a good thing and screwing it up for everyone.
Feb 21, 2011 11:44AM
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Why am I being blocked when I try to say that these are also the only diesel vehicles?

 

When discussing pay-back, the extra cost of diesels also pertains to used and trade-in values.  They cost more new and are worth more used thereby reducing the pay-back time.

Mar 2, 2011 11:31AM
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@Mikes1 - While I do appreciate your opinion on the pros and cons of owning a diesel in this day and age; I don't appreciate the stereotype of "There are only one kind of people that drive deisel autos or trucks and they are not the kind of people you can have an educated conversation with." While I may not be the most educated person in all the ins and outs of diesel engines; I do know how to not stick my foot in my mouth. Next time you decide to call us"stupid deisel lovers" or "uneducated", please try to at least use spell check or have one of us "stupid deisel lovers" proof read your work. (Hint: Diesel is at the top of the page. It's ok to cheat and copy)
Mar 3, 2011 6:17AM
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I drive a 2002 Jetta TDI, 200K miles, original owner, $21.5K purchase price, and continue to get an average of 46-49 Highway, 40-42 City (depending on conditions and speed driven).  The car runs like a champ, and the dealership CSR's just smile every time I bring it in for required maintenance (every 10,000 miles, so twice a year, on average).  My goal is to make it to 500,000 miles, which should easily be attainable.  The car has paid for itself, and I DO NOT miss having a car payment every month, unlike many of my peers!

Assuming an owner takes care of their car (with all routine maintenance being accomplished as per the manufacturer), the cost of a diesel is well worth the initial investment!  Add that to the fact that I will never have to buy a replacement Hybrid battery, and ownership justification merely becomes "Can I handle driving the same car for 15 years or more?" 

I may not have all of the new bells and whistles, but I do have a dependable car that is still very fun to drive!

Mar 2, 2011 6:09AM
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It still amazes me that the MINI Cooper Diesel is the cleanest diesel in Europe, but it doesn't meet US emissions so it's not sold here. I think it is rated at 65mpg on the highway.
Mar 2, 2011 6:33AM
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You just have to look at motor-sports. The Le Mans 12/24 hour races have been won by diesel engine power for several years, that technology will come soon to passenger cars. We may well be better off with a single fuel type such as diesel as it will be safer than gasoline or alcohol. By turbo-charging they will build smaller engines that produce more H/P with less fuel, and emissions. As a over-the-road truck driver for 26 years I've seen the change in diesel engines.
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