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Jan 10, 2012 5:12PM
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I just read "someone's" post....So you're not a car lover.  That's okay, why read the car articles?  Furthermore GM and Chrysler both were part of the Obama bail-out, but Ford did not take any bail-out funds.  

Larry T.:  We have lot's of oil...lots.  We have right now, without anymore exploration, more than 30 years of recoverable oil.  Beneath that is more oil that with new recovery methods will be able to increase that number without new exploration.  If you are going to start seeing electric cars everywhere, they are going to be, for the most part, powered by a fossil fuel powered power plant, so the idea that we are going to all go electric is ridiculous.  Anytime you transfer energy from one source to another you lose some of it, so why would we do that?  

As for the cars...the HP...the torque...  "Mech Eng": it is true that there is so much more involved with the final "rubber to the road" power and transfer of power, but you need somewhere to start.  Looking at the HP and/ or torque gives you the base to build around.  If you want more mileage, or more top speed, or more off the line, you change your transmission, you change your gear ratio's, but you need to have the base to start with.  

Let's face it, cars are fun, trucks are fun.  If you are in to motor sports then this is fun stuff you want to read.  If you are not in to motor sports.....well....don't waste your time reading articles like these.  I like internal combustion and I work for big oil. (just thought I would throw that out there for anyone who wishes to hate on me for it)  

R.Cox: I whole heatedly agree with you.  We as a country (on the individual level and higher) sell our country down the pipes with all of the foreign things we purchase.  We will be bit by it bad sooner or later.  We are losing our economic power over this world and when that happens we will be the ones under economic sanctions being forced to comply with other countries demands (like getting rid of all of our nukes and such).  Because a desperate country is a country to be scared of and when our nations economy comes crashing down, we will be a desperate country with a lot of nukes. 
 
Dec 6, 2011 4:39AM
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Stay away from the MUSTANG with the GETRAG TRANSMISSION made in CHINA. Wait until FORD announces a replacement box  "MADE IN THE USA" !  Shame on them !
Jan 10, 2012 2:23PM
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I have to give this list some credit, but the ricers that are on the list--please! I mean the non-turbo charged Chrysler V6 or for that matter the Ford or Chevy V6 out-muscle the Hyundai U.S. economic gate crasher with a normally aspirated engine!

 

Throw a super charger or twin turbo on any of the American V8 powered pony cars or Charger and you will get the same basic results and power gains, depending on how you set up the rest of the engine in regards to how much boost the engine can handle. Typically 100 HP is a pretty standard gain.

 

I currently own two (2) Challenger R/Ts (a '70 and '71) and an '08 Charger R/T. Before I had the '08 Charger I owned a '05 Hemi Ram Quad Cab 2WD (it was as fast as the pre-11 Stangs!). So I have had the old and new muscle and they both have their advantages and disadvantages. One is an investment that you can have some fun with and the modern ones are more practicle transportation pieces. Want more transportation value? Buy a used modern muscle car.

 

The Charger and Challenger are both great drivers and they offer good handling, along with acceptable mileage and loads of comfort and modern amenities. My Charger R/T hasn't met a car or truck it can't pass on the road and literally just blow by them before the other driver even realizes what happened (no wonder the cops like them as patrol cars!). BTW, you don't see Shelby or Saleen Mustangs being driven to work very often--they are tucked away in their garages, so there isn't a lot that my 5.7 Hemi Charger can't pass on the road. I don't see many V8 Camaros out there either, but I do see a fair number of Challengers being driven on the street.

 

At any rate, buy one of the cars from the Big 3 and be an economic patriot, not an accomplance to one of the country's economic raiders! 

 

 

 

Jan 10, 2012 11:42AM
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Ford always starts out well then pulls some B.S. just like GM. A lot of American car guys read these articles and then they don't buy them after they read this. 

 

If this is true - 200HP tranny in 412? The torque will clean that out quickly. China or not - the design must be flawed.  I'm just going to keep driving older cars. I have never had problems like this with older muscle - so easy to fix. So they don't have all these new handling packages. Go to the catalog and buy as many bolt on's as you want - make a 96 camaro or 90 mustang handle pretty darn well.

 

The Dodge looks heavy, but it looks like fun.

Jan 10, 2012 4:26PM
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BUY AMERICAN and stop the decline of are country   YES its that simple,,,We must stop the free trade madness,,,we must create wealth and that means  make it here   grow it here   mine it here,plus its green ha ha   STOP funding are enemy the RED CHINESE YES we want tariffs,,,YES we want a trade war......TRUMP gets it do you    BUY AMERICAN nothing else matters.   SIMPLE economics.   PUT YOUR COUNTRY FIRST for a change.
Jan 10, 2012 1:11PM
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Yak Yak Yak.......  I'll stick with my '68 GT500KR and my '67 GT500.  After replacing the points laden distributors with electronics, it's balls to the walls!  12mpg at 117mph!!  24mpg at 45mph! 
Jan 10, 2012 5:01PM
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Ya know "Someone," you have a perfect right to be a woose or a whimp. If we didn't have those kind of people in the world, well we would have to take those words out of the English language, because those names would apply to no one!

 

It's apparent that you don't like speed or taking chances. Good! Stay home or just don't be stupid and pull out in front of me and then drive like grandma. Otherwise expect me to pass you and your slow asset!

 

Me? I don't take reckless chances when driving in traffic. I've been driving since 1974 and have driven maybe a couple of million miles since then. What I do take are calculated risks when driving, just like anyone else. Face it. Every time you go out on the road you are taking a risk. How much HP your vehicle has, makes no difference. I can take the same risks with a car with a 3 cyl. engine as with a V8. If I drive like a moron, there is no hope for me either way.

 

I like having a powerful or fast vehicle for those long, lonely stretches of highway in rural areas. To me it's exciting to go fast in that situation once in a while, as long as I am not endangering someone else. That's still my choice in this country and yours too.

Dec 5, 2011 7:16AM
Dec 5, 2011 5:19AM
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And when you buy the Ford, you get a free shot of anger every time the chinesse made manual six speed grinds.  Ford knows of the problem but as usual is still putting the defective transmission behind the 5.0 Mustang. Beware of Ford
Dec 9, 2011 2:29PM
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I own a 2011 Mustang GT and I agree on the Mustang manual transmission. Mine whines like it has a supercharger. I talked with a engineer at Ford and they told me after a break in period that the tranny sounds like that. I told him I am also a engineer and he should go back to school because it should sound just like it drove off the lot. They will not fix it under warranty. I also looked up the specs on the tranny and it is only rated at 200 HP. The stock Mustang GT comes with 412 HP. They lost a true blue Ford man that day.
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